Brock / Calvert Interview, 1977

This interview appeared in issue 2 of a fanzine called Sniffin' Flowers, published in 1977.  I dug it out
of the archives of the BOC-L/Hawkwind mailing list - my thanks to Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge
who got it there in the first place (which was about 5 years ago now!)
I've got this idea, I've written this Space Ritual!
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SF: How did Hawkwind come about?

DB: Well it was formed in 1969 by me and then I met Bob Calvert who was
  a poet down Notting Hill Gate and he comes up to me and says "I got
  this idea, I've written this Space Ritual" and Nik Turner, this
  mate of mine, wanted to join up with the band, so he did.  And
  then, he (Bob Calvert) left, he decided he could do better by
  himself and he suddenly discovered he couldn't so he came back
  again, a wandering star, he is.  Last year we nearly folded up
  because we were in so much debt.  Last year was the closest we've
  ever come to folding, but it's looking a bit better now.  There's a
  brief history.

SF: Why the name Hawkwind?

DB: Well it was to do with Nik Turner's rude behaviour right, he was
  always hawking wasn't he?

RC: He still is.

DB: And he used to fart a lot too and he said to me one day, let's call
  it Hawkwind and then there's the mythical story behind it, isn't
  there Robert?

RC: What?

DB: It's got a lot of mystical significance.

SF: (To Robert Calvert) Why do you keep leaving and rejoining?

RC: 'Cos I'm a very restless person I suppose.  I suppose really this
  band's always going through changes you know.  Sometimes there are
  nice people in it and sometimes there aren't.

DB: Sometimes there are nasty people in it.

SF: Would you like to name anyone?

RC: Paul Rudolph.

DB: Alan Powell, were the worst influences on the band.  They were the
  reason the band nearly folded up.

SF: Musical influences or what?

DB: Musical and personal because of their egos.

RC: They wanted to make the band into a funky soul band 'cos about a
  year ago that was the vogue thing to do.

SF: (To Bob Calvert)  Why do you now concentrate more upon the vocals
  than you did in the past?

RC: Well, I used to stand there and read poetry which I think is not
  very exciting. It's all right now and then, but we try and work
  towards generating some excitement now, things have to change.

DB: I mean, you can't do the same thing all the time.

RC: You have to digress.  It's only like half way between singing and
  talking, you know which I think is more acceptable.  Actually the
  German classical composers did that a lot.  Kurt Weil used to call
  it 'sprechgesang', which means talk-sing.  There's no way of
  putting poetry to music.

SF: Why don't you do a lot of the earlier numbers anymore?

RC: It's just that they are old numbers, you know if you are a composer
  like Dave Brock you don't want to do old things, you've got new
  ideas all the time and half the time you haven't got outlets for
  them.  I mean he's got loads of tapes of things that haven't been
  heard yet.  It's not very encouraging to keep on doing stuff you've
  done over and over again.

SF: Are the more recent numbers less Science Fiction influenced?

RC: No, I think the newer numbers are more influenced by Science
  Fiction.  I think we're maturing a lot now, I mean on Amazing Music
  there were numbers that weren't anything to do with Science
  Fiction, you know.  Rudolph was always carping about not doing it
  and it affects you.

DB: You get an idea and you like things to be a sort of unit and we
  were in the studio and he was in a chair playing his bass and we
  were doing a high energy number!  You can't do things when people
  are behaving like that and it's the same with your ideas.  This
  album that we've just done is a step in the right direction.  One
  part is a whole concept, it's more towards what we were doing with
  Doremi and all that lot.  We are going back to where we sort of
  went off course.

SF: Would you consider yourself a Science Fiction band?

DB: Yeah, we do, in actual fact we are the only band that is doing that
  sort of thing.

RC: We are the only band that gets written about in S.F. fanzines.
  Moorcock didn't make it an S.F. band he was drawn to it because of
  what it was.

SF: Who are your own S.F. influences.

DB: I haven't really got any influences there, I mean you read a book
  and you get an idea.

RC: It's more a case of actually being influenced by the science that's
  all around you.  You can't help but come into contact with it all
  the time, rather than being influenced by S.F.  We make what we
  make of the world into music and it comes out as S.F. which I think
  is the only valid way you can write about the times we find
  ourselves in.  I always try to write about things that haven't
  happened quite yet, but I'm quite sure will happen.  Like Spirit of
  the Age is not quite about the age that we are in now, but one we
  are heading for.

SF: How did Hawkwind become associated with Michael Moorcock?

RC: It came about from him being in Notting Hill Gate when we were in
  Notting Hill Gate.  Before I did anything with the band I went to
  see them at the Roundhouse.  Barney Bubbles had just done those
  cabinets and the drums and I thought how very Moorcockian they
  looked, at the same time I was working for Frendz magazine and I
  did this interview with Moorcock and I told him about the band and
  he came to a gig in Paris Square.

SF: How did the Space Ritual idea come about?

RC: Well, it didn't really come about, it was an idea that didn't ever
  really get off the ground.

DB: It was never done to its fullest, it was only half done.

RC: But I think the idea of it made a lot of the things that you now
  see in the band happen.  If it hadn't happened like that it
  wouldn't have developed the way it is now, the light show might not
  have been along the lines it is now.

SF: How did the Light Show evolve?

RC: Along with the band Jon Smeeton had been doing light shows for
  other bands.

DB: He was another guy around Notting Hill Gate at the same time when
  we were all living round there and we just met up with him and he's
  been with us since 1971.

RC: That's when Notting Hill was like the left bank in Paris with its
  out of work artists and it lasted for 2-3 years.

DB: And then it became degenerate, full of junkies and alcoholics.

RC: I think that LSD was a major influence on our generation in art and
  music.  A lot of people, especially the New Wave enthusiasts have
  dismissed the whole psychedelic era as if it were totally
  insignificant which they are very wrong about.  There was far more
  creativity than there is now.  Punk music although it is very
  energetic and I find it a lot more refreshing to hear than what
  older bands are doing, doesn't have as much actual creativity as we
  had when we were that age and we were a new wave.  I'm sure that
  very soon there's going to be a look back at that time and on our
  new album we've got a song about the period which is not making
  excuses for it, but holding it up as something we are actually
  proud to have been involved in, which is not a very fashionable
  view to take now.  It was the most important era in rock and in
  another year or two, you're going to have nothing but people
  looking back on that time.

  Rock and roll had started out as just an energy dance music, then
  it was influenced by the blues and then it started being influenced
  by a whole lot of things like poetry, eastern music, LSD, mystical
  experiences and S.F. suddenly coming into it and opening it up as
  an art form, which it maintained for quite a long period with bands
  like the Pink Floyd and us, who were really spearheading the
  movement and it splintered out in different ways.  The Floyd became
  comfortable, bourgeois and settled and just professional studio
  musicians and then punks came along to smash apart that sort of
  complacency,  but they are not doing anything creative.  The
  psychedelic era will be revived, we've not dismissed it, we've not
  said right it's fucking over now we'll play funky music because
  that's the thing to do.

DB: Not a revival as it was but a revival to what's happening now, 'cos
  everything that's done has been changed, it'll never be like that
  again. You can only touch on the outside of the circle that you're
  in.

RC: But journalists will try and revive the era, look at the way
  nostalgia has been going.  It started off with the twenties for a
  short time, then through the thirties and forties very quickly, got
  into the fifties, now they are moving into the sixties, then they
  are going to have to move into 1971 because there is nothing
  happening now.

DB: So in a couple of years they will be well into psychedelia and "You
  remember those good old days" and all this.

RC: The music and the art that was happening then was really good.

SF: What do you think of the bands that have come out of Hawkwind?

DB: Motorhead are all right.  I'm really glad Lemmy's got it together.

SF: What about Kicks?

DB: They are nothing to do with Hawkwind.

RC: Kicks are quite a funky band and are the sort of band Alan Powell
  and Paul Rudolph should have been in rather than trying to disrupt
  things in this one.

DB: Lemmy's band are the nearest to Hawkwind, Lemmy's you can say is
  like a splinter off the tree.

RC: Like the Grateful Dead and the New Riders.

SF: Where did you get hold of Adrian?

DB: Well he used to play for Magic Muscle in Bristol, who we have known
  for many years, they used to do free gigs with us and in fact he
  had played with us before on and off when Lemmy didn't turn up, he
  was a natural choice, it's a pity he didn't join sooner.

SF: What's your opinion of the Hawklords book.

DB: Well it's a sort of joke really.

SF: Do the characters in any way resemble yourselves?

RC: I shouldn't think they do.  They're sort of like cartoon figures.

DB: I think he did touch at the surface of people's characters 'cos he
  went to Mike and asked him about them.  I think that's what he did
  because some of the characters do behave vaguely like we do.

RC: I don't think you expect characters in this sort of stuff.

DB: Like Dan Dare.

RC: I think that this book is aimed at young people, which a lot of our
  following is amongst, which I can't understand.  We get a lot of
  people who are young enough to be our children.

SF: Maybe you're something they can relate to.

RC: Yeah, Hawkwind has always had two strains running through it, one
  is the heavy street type music and the other is the spacey type
  music.  Lemmy has taken the heaviness and got rid of the spaciness
  and we are halfway between the two really.  I mean we were part of
  the more militant side of the underground culture, we regarded
  ourselves as a guerilla band and we were against the established
  music business at the time.  We refused to follow the dictates of
  record companies to produce hit material.  Silver Machine was never
  a planned thing it was accidental.  We didn't know we were going to
  have a hit single until it happened and I suppose that changed our
  attitude a bit, 'cos a lot of money came in which we hadn't set out
  to make.  And from then onwards it became less of a pastime and
  more of a professional occupation.

SF: Did you always want to be rock stars?

RC: I certainly never did, I wanted to be a poet, which I still want to
  be.  Actually I've got my first book of poems coming out called
  "Centigrade 232". I don't think we ever wanted to be stars, but to
  be at the head of a small cult would be enough.